Hesiman

So, who do you guys think will win the Heisman Saturday?

Tim Tebow | QB | Florida
Passing: 3,132 YDS | 29 TD
6 INT | 68.5 CMP%
Rushing: 838 YDS | 22 TD

Darren McFadden | RB | Arkansas
Rushing: 1,725 YDS | 15 TD
Passing: 123 YDS | 4 TD
Receiving: 164 YD | 1 TD

Colt Brennan | QB | Hawaii
Passing: 4,174 YDS | 38 TD
14 INT | 71.4 CMP%
Rushing: 65 YDS | 8 TD

Dennis Dixon | QB | Oregon
Passing: 2,136 YDS | 20 TD
4 INT | 67.7 CMP%
Rushing: 583 YDS | 9 TD

More importantly than who will win it, who should win it? I firmly believe the Hesiman selection has its favorites and a guy like Colt Brennan, regardless of how amazing the numbers he puts up, or how many NCAA records he holds, would have little chance of ever winning the award.

Case in point (Led Nation, NCAA Record):

Brennan '06 - Finished 6th in Heisman Voting
Passing: 5549 YDS | 58 TD | 72.6 CMP% | 182.8 Rating
Rushing: 336 YDS | 5 TD

Smith '06 - Heisman Winner
Passing: 2507 YDS | 30 TD | 67.0 CMP% | 167.87 Rating
Rushing: 233 YDS | 1 TD

Now, before anyone tries to argue team performance should matter, it shouldn't. If a guy puts up Brennan's numbers and doesn't win a game he was still "college football's most outstanding player" by his own personal numbers. It also should have no bearing on scheduling, as long as you're playing I-A teams.

A second instance: In 1996 Troy Davis rushed for 2,185 yards and 36 touchdowns. This was the second consecutive year rushing for 2,000+ yards and he's still the only man to ever accomplish this. Why didn't Troy Davis win the Heisman? He played for a 2-9 Iowa State team, so "College Football's Most Outstanding Player" award was given to Danny Wuerffel, with less impressive numbers, but a National Championship team.

Colt Brennan | QB | Hawaii
Passing: 4,174 YDS | 38 TD
14 INT | 71.4 CMP%
Rushing: 65 YDS | 8 TD

Dennis Dixon | QB | Oregon
Passing: 2,136 YDS | 20 TD
4 INT | 67.7 CMP%
Rushing: 583 YDS | 9 TD

saw both play against University of Washington... Colt was far more impressive(not to take away from Dixon's accomplishments). he already looks more competent than 50% of NFL qb's. jmho

Here are Colt Brennan's combined number for his last two games:

Passing (c/att): 82/103 - 79.6%
937 yards
10 TDs

That is nuts. This guy deserved the Heisman last year and he probably deserves it this year too.

Too bad Hawaii dosent play good enough teams for it to matter. I like Tebow the most but I would be happy with McFadden winning it too.

Originally posted by: -=NHB=- Bananahands
Too bad Hawaii dosent play good enough teams for it to matter. I like Tebow the most but I would be happy with McFadden winning it too.

that's what most people said about Boise State last year, didn't seem to matter when bowl time came. besides love or hate the run and shoot... June Jones knows how to coach and recruit.

Originally posted by: -=NHB=- Bananahands
Too bad Hawaii dosent play good enough teams for it to matter. I like Tebow the most but I would be happy with McFadden winning it too.

THAT is the exact thing I was talking about. It is why the Heisman doesn't really mean shit anymore too. Either they need to start picking "the most outstanding player" like they claim their award recognizes, or start awarding "The Most Outstanding Player on a Winning Team from an Established Program" which is what they've been doing for 30+ years.

I agree wholeheartedly with Abaques. Brennan should be in New York getting his second Heisman Saturday.

Im in agreement with the best player in the sport getting it. However, you do have to consider strength of schedule in the mix.

Hawaii played no ranked teams. Here is their schedule.
http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/schedule.html?p=3 I dont see any real power houses in there. The 14 ints doesnt exactly look appealing considering the teams he threw them against. I dont know, just think if he was really the best player in college football, he should of had better numbers. Im not saying hes not really good, just dont think hes the best.

Hawaii doesn't play ranked teams because the ranked teams don't want to go out to Hawaii just to get beat up by their offense. So teams (like Michigan) opt out of playing them. Pay some kind of fee and play Appalachian State instead. We all know how that worked out.

Almost 6000 totals yards in 2006 and 63 Total Tds. lolwut? I don't care who you play, those are Heisman numbers

Tebow only has 6 ints compared to Colts 14. Tebow is a 2 front QB with 838 rushing and combined for 51 TDs.

It's between Tebow and Colt, toss up imo.

It's too bad that the Heisman isn't picked AFTER the bowl games because I'm interested to see how Brennan will fare against Georgia.

I like Brennan, and I think he is a great player, but Tebow had a redonkulous season. I think he'll end up taking home the hardware.

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Tebow is going to win it, even though he doesn't deserve it, and he is going to suck in the NFL. Obviously heisman has nothing to do with how you are going to perform in the pros, but I still don't think this guy is as amazing as everyone says, and he seems to have the little bitch manning brother attitude.

Brennan doesn't play any good teams, but his numbers are still flat out scary every year...I'm thinking he's going to be like Roethlisberger in the NFL...he'll end up being the "other" QB in the draft and he'll end up doing better in the end.
Post edited by chaingun at 12/7/2007 12:39:33 PM

In my eyes Tebow played against 3 good defense he has ubpar performances against all 3, only having a mediocre game against Auburn. I think McFadden should win it, he single handily beat lsu, and what I think is the most exciting player in college football. I think this kid will be huge in the nfl.

Tim Tebow should and will win it. 51 touchdowns is insane.

And after losing you will once again see Tebow cry


Post edited by Bucknut at 12/7/2007 1:12:03 PM

i will

Im still pissed that Vince Young got screwed out of it a few years back. Brennan is a beast against weak teams but Tebow and McFadden have been doing amazing against high caliber teams. You can say all division one A teams are good enough to count but there is a difference between playing SEC teams and playing San Jose state and barely winning that one.

who do i think will win? Tim Tebooo

who do i think should win? Darren McFadden

Originally posted by: Wowitsme
Hawaii doesn't play ranked teams because the ranked teams don't want to go out to Hawaii just to get beat up by their offense. So teams (like Michigan) opt out of playing them. Pay some kind of fee and play Appalachian State instead. We all know how that worked out.

Almost 6000 totals yards in 2006 and 63 Total Tds. lolwut? I don't care who you play, those are Heisman numbers

Umm in case u didnt know its 2007...

After watching Mcfadden completely own and embarrass my team this year, I hope he wins it. And then I hope he joins the NFL.

Tim Tebow WON'T win it because he's a sophmore, they know he will have another chance to win it.
Plus Colt should have won it last year & he will get paid.

Colt B. ftw.

Tim Tebow will be a nobody in the NFL & Colt could be a star.
Post edited by Stones at 12/8/2007 5:28:54 PM

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Originally posted by: Stones


Tim Tebow will be a nobody in the NFL & Colt could be a star.

That doesn't really matter when looking at the Heisman. Many recent Heisman winners have gone on to be horrible in the NFL.

Originally posted by: GoHeels

Originally posted by: Stones


Tim Tebow will be a nobody in the NFL & Colt could be a star.

That doesn't really matter when looking at the Heisman. Many recent Heisman winners have gone on to be horrible in the NFL.

I'm not speaking as in that would or should effect the voting or anything. I'm just stating Tebow won't make a good qb in the nfl.

& i don't know if i'd say "many" have gone on to be horrible recently. I was just looking at the list & most from like 90 have gone on to pretty good nfl careers.
Post edited by Stones at 12/8/2007 6:41:29 PM

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Kind of funny to look at the list of previous winners & see Vinny Testaverde winning it in 1986 & he still plays.
I think every year after that none of them play anymore till you reach Charles Woodsen from 1997.
Amazing to think about
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Congrats to Tim Tebow, the first Sophomore to ever win the award.

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Bleh still think McFadden should have won it

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.
Post edited by _Crunch at 12/9/2007 5:22:25 PM

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?
Post edited by Stones at 12/9/2007 5:45:23 PM

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Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?

Cause you said you were a Packer's fan in one of your posts. It was one of nfl discussion things.

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?

Cause you said you were a Packer's fan in one of your posts. It was one of nfl discussion things.

No i didn't. That would never happen.
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Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?

Cause you said you were a Packer's fan in one of your posts. It was one of nfl discussion things.

No i didn't. That would never happen.

Ok i couldnt find the post it was too far back but you did say that.
Post edited by _Crunch at 12/9/2007 6:36:36 PM

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?

Cause you said you were a Packer's fan in one of your posts. It was one of nfl discussion things.

No i didn't. That would never happen.

Ok i couldnt find the post it was too far back but you did say that.

Ok , whatever. I promise you that you won't find me saying that. I'm a Lions fan always have been always will be & will always hate the Packers & i always have. That is embedded into my soul.
Post edited by Stones at 12/9/2007 6:39:27 PM

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Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch

Originally posted by: Stones
Charles Woodsen

Learn to spell. and you call yourself a Packers fan.

What would ever make you think i'm a Packers fan?

Cause you said you were a Packer's fan in one of your posts. It was one of nfl discussion things.

No i didn't. That would never happen.

Ok i couldnt find the post it was too far back but you did say that.

Ok , whatever. I promise you that you won't find me saying that. I'm a Lions fan always have been always will be & will always hate the Packers & i always have. That is embedded into my soul.

Your going to hell then, go Pack!

Originally posted by: _Crunch


Your going to hell then, go Pack!

Maybe & hopefully i can take Brett with me.
Post edited by Stones at 12/9/2007 6:42:14 PM

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Originally posted by: Stones

Originally posted by: _Crunch


Your going to hell then, go Pack!

Maybe & hopefully i can take Brett with me.

After the Packers win the Superbowl and Favre wins MVP!