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Washington (CNN) -- Rep. Michele Bachmann boasted of having a "titanium spine" in an interview broadcast Sunday, the day before she formally enters the race for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012.
However, Bachmann had some difficulty in clarifying her stance on key issues and explaining federal funding that benefited her family in the interview on "Fox News Sunday" and another one with the CBS program "Face the Nation."
"I have a titanium spine for doing what we need to do" to get the country turned around, Bachmann told Fox, later challenging a question about whether past misstatements showed she was "flaky" by saying: "I think that was insulting to say something like that, because I'm a serious person."
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Bachmann has a history of statements that media fact checkers such as PolitiFact.com have revealed to be untrue, including false claims that Obama's trip to India cost taxpayers $200 million a day and that Obama had only issued one drilling permit since taking office. Asked about that record, she responded: "I haven't misled people at all."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/26/bachmann.interview/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


I always wondered what material that rod up her ass was made out of.

I heard her interview on CBS this morning, it was hilarious how badly she was dodging the questions without giving a straight answer.
Adamantium > titanium

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Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter. She is a step above Obama, even if she isnt the best candidate.
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She must be doing something right as she is gaining in her respective polls. Seems like a better trend than obamas approval rating polls. How can cobalt continue to shit on republicans and turn a blind eye towards democrats?
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter.


Really snake? Monkey? The black house?

woodworm: I didn't see anywhere in Cobalt's post where he mentioned poll numbers. As far as I can tell, he pointed out a humorously crazy comment from Bachmann, then mixed in some serious issues about her policy, finances and public speaking style. I don't understand how poll numbers prove or disprove any of that.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter. She is a step above Obama, even if she isnt the best candidate.
There's a lot of racism in this post.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
I have forwarded videos of porn stars fucking horses.
Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter. She is a step above Obama, even if she isnt the best candidate.
There's a lot of racism in this post.
Which part would that be?
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter. She is a step above Obama, even if she isnt the best candidate.
There's a lot of racism in this post.
Which part would that be?

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
I have forwarded videos of porn stars fucking horses.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Adamantium > titanium
Titanium is more flexible. Although Bachmann is past her prime, I get the impression she was pretty good in the neurotic chick nasty sex department.
Post edited by Stryk at 6/26/2011 8:54:28 PM
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter. She is a step above Obama, even if she isnt the best candidate.

I can't hear you through your pointy white hood.
Originally posted by: woodwormx
She must be doing something right as she is gaining in her respective polls.




Michele Bachmann to be elected President in 2012
3.9%
CHANCE





Barack Obama to be re-elected President in 2012
56.0%
CHANCE



The market has spoken, and as Bachmann knows the market is always right.

If Bachmann were a stock, she would be TEPCO.
Originally posted by: the wierdo
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Whats great is she is twice as smart as the monkey in office, has 10x the business savy as the idiot in the black house, and can speak 20x better without needing a teleprompter.


Really snake? Monkey? The black house?



so when are you going to call out duke nukem?

its called a metaphor. you should look that up sometime.
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Originally posted by: the wierdo
There's nothing like a little child molestation to bring people together and rise above the partisanship
Originally posted by: Pudd¿nheäd
ive been wanting coq for some time now, and im goin for it on sunday!
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
kok. i want kok. lots of kok.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
the monkey in office


Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
the black house


Wow. Just wow. How can you sit there and write stuff like that?

If you'd just left it at "monkey" I would have given you the benefit of the doubt. I've seen lots of people called monkeys and it had nothing to do with the color of their skin.

But "Black house"? Really? You can't deny you threw race into that one. There's no reason to call it the "Black house" other than the President is black.

So why the special effort to call it that? Sure makes it look like you think he's a bad President in part due to his skin color.

If you're going to sit there and claim that no, you think he's a bad President only because of his policies (which I assume is what you're going to do), then why are you going the extra mile to throw race into it and call it the "Black house?"

Originally posted by: Coba|t
Originally posted by: woodwormx
She must be doing something right as she is gaining in her respective polls.




Michele Bachmann to be elected President in 2012
3.9%
CHANCE





Barack Obama to be re-elected President in 2012
56.0%
CHANCE



The market has spoken, and as Bachmann knows the market is always right.

If Bachmann were a stock, she would be TEPCO.



AND YOU WOULD BE RETARDED. BHO IS ONLY AT 50+ BECAUSE HE HAS THE NOMINATION LOCKED UP. SHE DOESN'T YET. IF SHE HAPPENS DO WIN THE BID DO YOU STILL THINK HER CHANCES WOULD BE UNDER 4%?
I DON'T EXPECT A SERIOUS REPLY. CUT AND RUN.

SORRY FOR CAPS. PHONE POST.


Michele Bachmann to be Republican Presidential Nominee in 2012
13.8%
CHANCE




Barack Obama to face serious primary challenger (see rules) for 2012 Democratic nomination
12.0%
CHANCE


Originally posted by: woodwormx
BHO IS ONLY AT 50+ BECAUSE HE HAS THE NOMINATION LOCKED UP. SHE DOESN'T YET.


If Obama has his nomination "locked up" with only a 12% chance of a serious primary challenger for the 2012 election, then Bachmann has her nomination "locked out" with a mere 1.8% difference.

Her responses to any difficult question she has been asked are clearly rehearsed, she never gives a straight answer, merely going on a rant to try and dodge the question in the hopes that her supporters are too dumb to remember just what she was asked by the time she finished her evasion.

She would be destroyed in a presidential debate. Her only hope is to concede and try to suck up to Romney as his VP.
Originally posted by: Neechoo Cheeska
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
the monkey in office


Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
the black house


Wow. Just wow. How can you sit there and write stuff like that?

If you'd just left it at "monkey" I would have given you the benefit of the doubt. I've seen lots of people called monkeys and it had nothing to do with the color of their skin.

But "Black house"? Really? You can't deny you threw race into that one. There's no reason to call it the "Black house" other than the President is black.

So why the special effort to call it that? Sure makes it look like you think he's a bad President in part due to his skin color.

If you're going to sit there and claim that no, you think he's a bad President only because of his policies (which I assume is what you're going to do), then why are you going the extra mile to throw race into it and call it the "Black house?"

First are you a liberal Cheese? When all the kiddies called Bush a monkey did you object? So what's the problem with calling the current idiot one?

The black house comment was a joke all over the net about the first thing Obama would do in office as President.



Don't get your black panties in a twist! Wait, or are they tighty whiteys? Is that racist to say?
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: Neechoo Cheeska
If you'd just left it at "monkey" I would have given you the benefit of the doubt. I've seen lots of people called monkeys and it had nothing to do with the color of their skin.


Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
When all the kiddies called Bush a monkey did you object? So what's the problem with calling the current idiot one?


reading comprehension fail! neechoo is not objecting to you calling obama a monkey, nor is he calling you a racist for doing so.

edit: also, thats a terrible photoshop job. whoever did that made it look like a newbie did it.
Post edited by the penguin at 6/27/2011 7:07:26 PM

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Originally posted by: the wierdo
There's nothing like a little child molestation to bring people together and rise above the partisanship
Originally posted by: Pudd¿nheäd
ive been wanting coq for some time now, and im goin for it on sunday!
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
kok. i want kok. lots of kok.
Dumbalt still trying to convince people here that the Dali Bama is still electable?

Because his economic policies and overall incompetence means he should be given another chance. It's Bush's fault after all.

Haha, yeah, sure, ok.

I bet you say that with the same geeked out mars-attacks angry voice that Mark Levin does Cute nicknames sweet cheeks.

In general its the deregulation fanboys who've been at it non-stop for decades who are most responsible for the recession we're coming out of. Specifically, the banking deregulations which the Republicans had tried repeatedly to pass after the S&L crisis, repeatedly being defeated by congress under Clinton until 1999 when a compromise was reached concerning community reinvestment, intense lobbying by banks, and the same sustained push by Republicans to finally get the measures passed by a veto-proof majority.

Funny how banking deregulation fits right into the same mantra of "The government that governs best governs least". The same slogan thats been sloshed around the mouths of every Republican candidate lately.


Post edited by Coba|t at 6/28/2011 12:27:27 AM
You're still stupid enough to believe that the democrats are somehow different than the republicans.

Thats why you voted for Obama and non specific Hope and Change like a fuckin chump. lol, whatta dumbass.

Clue: 2 factions, one party.

That would be the party of the elites. Of course, you being a statist douchebag (who votes for republicans, honest!) hope that one day, they will let you in and that you matter.

You havent the fuckin guts to challenge the system, let alone question democrats... Mr. independent. If you did, you wouldnt vote status quo and vote for real reform.

Haha.


If your argument is that democrats have no discernible platforms or preferences which can differentiate them from republican platforms and preferences, I'd say you're the one making a stupid argument.

The mere fact that they're not entirely uniform even within their own party, which have individual factions within them based on many issues, indicates a diversity of opinions which can be aligned under a single party with variations in specific issues.

The problem with the banking deregulations happened to be an issue of political opinion for a number of years, with Republicans urging deregulation (and receiving the most attention from banking lobbyists). This was repeatedly defeated when brought to a vote. It wasn't until a compromise was achieved which included certain concessions like CRA and overwhelming bipartisan lobbying by the banking industry that all the stars aligned before an election year and it was finally voted for with a veto-proof majority.

I would argue that if there is one uniform faction in all of this, its the 're-elect me' party. Nobody wants to lose, so they do what they think they need to in order to win. Whether thats accepting lobbyist money, voting yes/no on legislation, bringing home the bacon for their state, or grandstanding.


Or you can be all hurp-derp and go the easy route claiming none of these things are unlike the other, none of these things do not belong.
So what you're saying is that you have no problems with social engineering and endorse gvt endeavors into the private market that set the conditions for failure [read: CRA] instead of allowing a free market to decide who should have been allowed credit and those who shouldnt.

Yes, democratic diversity allowed them to prosper from that (such as barney frank and chris dodd chairman of banking... from CT which Im sure you didnt vote for, heh) where the silence from you is absolutely deafening.

So yeah, keep blaming republicans instead of taking an analytic look at your own ideology and being a cheer leader for an amazingly inept president whose policies have kept the Nation from recovering. Whats unemployment again? Where's the $5 Trillion gone in 2 1/2 short years? Where is his budget? Why did the democrats get their fuckin ass kicked last election cycle?

Your opinions are a minority and if anything, make you a laughing stock. It is my hope that people wont be stupid enough to fall for his fake bullshit again and toss him out on his ass come 2013.

Keep your blinders on mule, you will continue to serve as another useful jackass to your party.
Originally posted by: Stryk
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Adamantium > titanium
Titanium is more flexible. Although Bachmann is past her prime, I get the impression she was pretty good in the neurotic chick nasty sex department.


You got that right, she is batshit crazy.

And Snake, give it a rest. I know you don't know her as well as I do. Unfortunately, she is from MN and we read about her ad nausem. She isn't smart. She isn't a great business person. She isn't much of anything except a whore for public attention. If you are so hell bent on exploiting her wonderous virtues, please, enlighten us. I'll save you the trouble....she hasn't done hardly anything for her constituents in her time in office. Why? Like Palin, she's spent more time out of the state than in it. Running to social functions here and there...and everywhere; all in an effort to further her own gain on a national level. She has had a ridiculous amount of money come into her campaign funds from OUTSIDE the state. All for what? A lousy seat in the MN congress?

Their is an element in the Republican Party that wants her in office so badly, they'll do anything to get her there. If anything, you should be alarmed that this retard of a woman is being pushed to the forefront of ANY political party.

I did not vote for Obama and I am not a overall supporter of him...I don't even think he's doing a good job in the White House. But for you to sit there and extoll her virtues over Obama, well that's just plain stupidity beyond comprehension. You are either being a douchebag, disengenuous or both.
If we let the free market (Read: Banks) decide where credit should go, then repackage it and hedge against it, all the while being fully backed by the FDIC in order to create a stable system for consumers, and improperly rated, we wind up where we are.

These are the 'hands of' government deregulation policies endorsed by the republican party, the same mantra that we've seen fail on an epic scale now twice - savings and loan, and our current situation. I know you'd be all for a third, because you never learn.

Having taken away the bank holding company restrictions of glass-steagall in order to pave way for the 'free market' to endorse bank mergers was a bad idea.

Yes, the government should have a say about which companies can hold banking interests and regulate them as they were intended shortly after the great depression.

I already know you're dumb as a rock when it comes to all things science and math, and its obvious that applies to economics as well. If you think 'free market' principles apply to products that have been insufficiently rated, hedged against, and sold off for profit when they're actually complete junk, then I have a worthless product to sell your stupid ass.
Originally posted by: Coba|t
If we let the free market (Read: Banks) decide where credit should go, then repackage it and hedge against it, all the while being fully backed by the FDIC in order to create a stable system for consumers, and improperly rated, we wind up where we are.

These are the 'hands of' government deregulation policies endorsed by the republican party, the same mantra that we've seen fail on an epic scale now twice - savings and loan, and our current situation. I know you'd be all for a third, because you never learn.

Having taken away the bank holding company restrictions of glass-steagall in order to pave way for the 'free market' to endorse bank mergers was a bad idea.

Yes, the government should have a say about which companies can hold banking interests and regulate them as they were intended shortly after the great depression.

I already know you're dumb as a rock when it comes to all things science and math, and its obvious that applies to economics as well. If you think 'free market' principles apply to products that have been insufficiently rated, hedged against, and sold off for profit when they're actually complete junk, then I have a worthless product to sell your stupid ass.


Stop pretending that it was just Republicans favoring this....Greenspan was approved by almost three decades worth of Presidents and this was his primary platform. Gramm-Bailey Act was signed by Bill Clinton.

And stop calling "too big to fail banks" free markets.....

The government isn't deregulating free markets, they are deregulating monopolies and antitrusts. Those are two distinctively different systems.

When a free market collapses, because of outright stupidity, you will always have someone else to take over for them......much like blockbusters failure didn't cripple America (with netflix/redbox).

Banks, on the other hand, are an entirely different beast. The government, sponsored by lobbyists, used regulation to kill off market competition and promote big bank favoritism (because that's where the money was).

They later permitted and subsidized the assembly of strangle hold conglomerations (because monopolies have far more money to throw at them).

It was then that lobbyists paid politicians to pass fake deregulation, which was nothing more than corporatist reregulation, in order to allow these very same entities to run amok and inevitably fucking hanging themselves (because, again, big money was to be made).

It's exactly what happened in Argentina a decade ago.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115#

If given the choice between deregulating a massive monopoly, without competition, or outright central planning through excessive regulation, I say that we are colossally fucked either way.

These shouldn't be our choices in America and if they are it's game over for us.

Other than that major issue, I very much agree with you.....
Post edited by Mockery at 6/28/2011 7:04:40 PM
Mockery... the youtube videos of said documentary are better.

just letting you know.
Originally posted by: Mockery

Stop pretending that it was just Republicans favoring this....

This is where you are wrong, and SS is moronically obsessively wrong - as one would expect. I clearly stated in my original post about the subject that democrats got on board once the concessions aimed at minority loan guarantees (CRA) they asked for were agreed to. The CRA was on their wish list for a while, and they finally got it tacked on to the same bills they were killing for years.

The elimination of glass-steagall was supported by Republicans because the idea fit in with their goal of deregulation. This is an acknowledged fact.

This is why someone like SS - a right winger - is so offended by the concept that this deregulation was pushed for by Republicans even though it fits in perfectly with their goal of deregulation.

Did Democrats ultimately vote in favor? Yes of course. Would they have voted for this bill if it had been striped of the CRA provisions? No, and it certainly would've been vetoed by then President Clinton - as he made clear during negotiations of the bill.

Its this distinction that draws a distinction between the parties when it comes to the deregulation of the financial industry - had the bill been a stand-alone elimination of the glass-steagall act, it would've been voted down by Democrats and vetoed by Clinton.

Had the bill been a stand-alone proposition for the Community Reinvestment Act, it would've been voted down by Republicans.

The goals are plainly obvious. Deregulation, versus provisions for consumer protection among minorities.

The mere fact that the portion of the bill which provided the deregulation of the banking industry - that most supported by Republicans - turned out to be a colossal fucking error makes this painful for partisan republicans. This was simply a re-affirmation of the savings and loan lessons that weren't learned - deregulation isn't always a good idea, and sometimes, its a very bad idea.


Next time someone goes up on stage looking to get elected or re-elected and repeats the mantra that deregulation is good, without providing specifics, you should question exactly how far they're willing to stick to that principle and whether or not that is a worthy rule of thumb given the history of banking deregulation.
Post edited by Coba|t at 6/29/2011 12:10:10 AM
Originally posted by: Coba|t

The CRA was on their wish list for a while, and they finally got it tacked on to the same bills they were killing for years.


Wrong is wrong and voting for an atrocity because its glazed with some pretty icing isn't a valid excuse in my book.

Originally posted by: Coba|t
The elimination of glass-steagall was supported by Republicans because the idea fit in with their goal of deregulation. This is an acknowledged fact.


No argument there......the Republicans are deregulation, big business, whores but all I'm saying is lets stop pretending the Democrats aren't just as for hire and quid-pro-quo.

Lets not forget that it was the Democrats that drafted and passed TARP.....and must I really post how much these major investment banks have given to which party? It's like saying that only one party is benefiting from big oil.....it's a fallacy. Even if Reps are more blatant about it....they both are cashing the checks.

Example:
http://dallasblog.nofloppies.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1006064

Did Democrats ultimately vote in favor? Yes of course. Would they have voted for this bill if it had been striped of the CRA provisions? No, and it certainly would've been vetoed by then President Clinton - as he made clear during negotiations of the bill.


Again.....this is like supporting slavery because it had a poverty housing provision in it. This argument is fucking bonkers!! You may be willing to openly excuse a political party that, even though, in your own words, you just admitted are either incompetent, have been outright duped, or entirely corrupt, but I'm not so willing to do that.

Stand by your fucking convictions or you are equally culpable in my mind.

The Dems knew exactly what they were doing.....they were cashing in the lobbyist checks too....and ultimately used an equally demagogic justification, of it's for the poor, to do something they were itching to do anyways.

My post below proves this definitively......when in doubt just follow the money.

Its this distinction that draws a distinction between the parties when it comes to the deregulation of the financial industry - had the bill been a stand-alone elimination of the glass-steagall act, it would've been voted down by Democrats and vetoed by Clinton.


Just like TARP was voted down in a Democratically controlled Congress and House? Oh wait, it was, but your Demy buddies still forced it through despite due process.

Was there a CRA in that too? What in that bail-out package benefited the poor may I ask? What is the shit colored sparkles that made that little gem digestible exactly?

You are delusional to believe that only one party were for hire whores openly working for the banking industry. There is a reason that Hilary is going to get the nod to head the IMF and it isn't because she is a Republican.....it's because she plays the political game just as well as all the other sellouts that we have representing us in this country today.

Dig into what money is going where and tell me with a straight face that only Republicans are banking profiteers that were benefiting from "too big to fail" bank deregulation....or reregulation.

This was simply a re-affirmation of the savings and loan lessons that weren't learned - deregulation isn't always a good idea, and sometimes, its a very bad idea.


No argument there.....don't deregulate anything that doesn't have sufficeint market competition behind it. Doing so benefits absolutely nobody except for premium shareholders and the elite who run that antitrust.

Just as taxcuts for just the rich benefit nobody but those same exact people.

I'm not some partisan drone or blind ideologue......that's why neither party deserves a pass here. I'm not defending the Republicans as much as I'm pointing out how equally tainted the hands of the Democrats are here.

There is a reason that Clinton reapointed Greenspan, the quintessential king of deregulation......just as there is a reason that Obama picked Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Giethner to be his economic platform.



Date Feb, 15th 1999........

You would have to be stone drunk on partisan kool-aid to think that all this is just a mere coincidence.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/29/2011 2:09:04 AM
A damn fine example of waging and spreading your bet.....

Goldman has been doing it well for decades now.

http://www.followthemoney.org/press/ReportView.phtml?r=425

Fast Facts
Goldman Sachs encouraged states to borrow. From 1999 through 2009, they spent $65,000 to promote ballot measures authorizing state bonds. The company makes a substantial profit from underwriting and offering government bonds.

From 1999 through 2009, Goldman Sachs gave more than $400,000 to state campaigns in New York, where state officials have the authority to regulate Wall Street.

Goldman Sachs, its PACs, and its employees gave more than $2.6 million to state-level campaigns and committees, 1999-2009.


The conclusion:


The Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into securities fraud at Goldman Sachs, one of the nation's largest investment banks. Much of the scrutiny over Goldman Sachs has focused on Washington, D.C., where Goldman Sachs' PAC and its employees gave $24.5 million to federal political campaigns in the period 1999–2009.1 Most of that money went to Democrats, and a quarter of this year's donations went to members of the committees most responsible for banking regulation.2

Goldman Sachs is also a major donor at the state level. The company's political action committee (PAC) and employees gave more than $2.6 million to state-level campaigns and committees in the same time period. In contrast with its Washington, D.C. offices, where the company's PAC banked on the Democrats, its state-level contributions favored Republicans by more than 2-to-1.

The company gave over $600,000 to state political campaigns from 1999 through 2009. Most of the contributions were made in New York, where Attorney General Andrew Cuomo (and his predecessor Eliot Spitzer) made headlines for prosecuting Wall Street titans under state laws.

Individuals identifying themselves as Goldman Sachs employees gave slightly more than $2 million to state campaigns and committees. The employees were of a different partisan stripe than the company: they gave almost $1.1 million to Democratic candidates and committees—nearly 60 percent more than they gave to Republicans.


Dohhhh.........but what about the poor???

Fuck the poor......the democrats are opportunistic pretenders who only pretend to give a shit about other people long enough to fill their own political coffers.

While you might think that is better than the Republicans, who clearly give a shit about no one, except the corporations they profit from, I'd argue they are essentially identical.
Nothing wrong with TARP, except that it should have been tied to an instant reenactment of Glass-Steagall.
Originally posted by: the wierdo
Nothing wrong with TARP, except that it should have been tied to an instant reenactment of Glass-Steagall.


Nothing wrong with TARP besides subsidizing zombee banking industries that are still toxic/insolvent.....nothing wrong with giving money to AIG...who helped siphon off billions to prop up the equally insolvent Eurozone......and nothing wrong with propping up the ubber rich bond holders, via poor peoples tax money, who were more than happy to make 15-20% returns until their "risky derivative investments" finally fell flat on their fucking face.

Besides all that...yeah...it was a great use of nearly a trillion dollars. Or $2700 dollars for every man woman and child living inside of America today.

I know I feel richer because of TARP...how about you?

You know who does feel richer right now? Rich people....

If only I could learn to look at the world this way, minus all the glaring negativity and blatant realism, I guess we could honestly say that there is nothing wrong with anything being done today in politics.

There is nothing wrong with AIDS, if it would just stop pestering sick people.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/29/2011 2:19:19 AM
Let me tell you a story. There used to be an over-leveraged hedge fund called Long-Term Capital Management. It was run by legitimately brilliant people, Nobel-prize-winners who changed the financial world by applying, among other things, Brownian motion to the options market. They borrowed too much money in their hedge fund, however.

Though overleveraged, their investments were close-to-perfect. But an East Asian currency crisis caused a short-term liquidity problem. Some investors, seeing their weakness, bet against them, exacerbating the desperate cash shortage. The massively leveraged hedge fund imploded.

Then, in an odd turn, all the evil Wall-Street bankers got together and organized a bailout. Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, J.P Morgan -- everyone associated in even the most remote way with this financial crisis through their money in the pot and saved LTCM.

Do you think those bankers were altruistic? Do you think they were bought by lobbyist contributions? They are as selfish as we know them to be. And they threw company money towards saving a single hedge fund. The collapse of every major bank on Wall Street, the financial nerve center of America and the world, makes that old impending hedge-fund collapse look like a low-stakes poker game in Bumblefuck nowhere.

The fact is that they're structured and leveraged in such a way that their failure really would cause a global financial depression. They're happy to remain that way, since it ensures future bailouts. This is not Fight Club. You don't get to watch the bad guys burn without taking yourself down with them.

By the way, I don't mean just Glass-Steagall. That's more a symbol for every meaningful regulation that was left out of the financial reform bill. Bailing them out was necessary, which is why it's such a joke that we stalled on actually regulating them, until the necessary corrupt senators had cobbled together enough power to kill anything more than slightly bothersome to the banks.
Blind hatred of TARP serves Goldman Sachs just fine, since that way people can pretend that it was an unnecessary handout, as opposed to a symptom of a broken system.
Originally posted by: the wierdo
Blind hatred of TARP serves Goldman Sachs just fine, since that way people can pretend that it was an unnecessary handout, as opposed to a symptom of a broken system.


Nahh....it wasn't a blind handout at all.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/tarp-recipients-and-their-bonuses/

Bonuses are also an essential part of our very broken system. =)
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Coba|t

The CRA was on their wish list for a while, and they finally got it tacked on to the same bills they were killing for years.


Wrong is wrong and voting for an atrocity because its glazed with some pretty icing isn't a valid excuse in my book.

Originally posted by: Coba|t
The elimination of glass-steagall was supported by Republicans because the idea fit in with their goal of deregulation. This is an acknowledged fact.


No argument there......the Republicans are deregulation, big business, whores but all I'm saying is lets stop pretending the Democrats aren't just as for hire and quid-pro-quo.

If you'd have actually read my post, you'd have seen that I explained the quid-pro-quo in the post you quoted first. Lets not pretend you can't read, and acknowledge that this process of trying to 'nail' me for trying to hide something that I just plainly explained in the post you've quoted isn't a farce.

Lets not forget that it was the Democrats that drafted and passed TARP.....and must I really post how much these major investment banks have given to which party? It's like saying that only one party is benefiting from big oil.....it's a fallacy. Even if Reps are more blatant about it....they both are cashing the checks.

Example:
http://dallasblog.nofloppies.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1006064

Did Democrats ultimately vote in favor? Yes of course. Would they have voted for this bill if it had been striped of the CRA provisions? No, and it certainly would've been vetoed by then President Clinton - as he made clear during negotiations of the bill.


Again.....this is like supporting slavery because it had a poverty housing provision in it. This argument is fucking bonkers!! You may be willing to openly excuse a political party that, even though, in your own words, you just admitted are either incompetent, have been outright duped, or entirely corrupt, but I'm not so willing to do that.

So explain to me where I've excused them for their part?

Because at this point, you're being just as big a dipshit as the regular partisan right-wingers. In fact, for your inability to read, I'd even throw the name Cummins out there to describe this sort of willful ignorance.


I've got no love for congress.


My explanation of the deregulation occurring in the late 90s is spot-on, the driving force behind it and the final outcome and compromise which enabled it are plain to see.

You chose to interpret all of this as some sort of unwritten 'excuse', and for that, I'd have to say you're incorrect to put it kindly.
Originally posted by: Coba|t

If you'd have actually read my post, you'd have seen that I explained the quid-pro-quo in the post you quoted first. Lets not pretend you can't read, and acknowledge that this process of trying to 'nail' me for trying to hide something that I just plainly explained in the post you've quoted isn't a farce.


You didn't explain shit.......

You outright presumed that the Democrats passed a piece of terrible legislation, that I deductively proved they were cashing lobbyist checks for, because it had an entirely worthless CRA provision in it.

Just as you can't prove a negative, you also can't prove what everyones true intentions are. I illustrated that it's equally likely that they passed this deregulation because they are nothing but whores...

You can try to paint them as duped idealists who ignorantly fell for "good intentions" all you want.....but that still doesn't explain all the funding they have been taking on behalf of those investment banks they were helping to deregulate.



So explain to me where I've excused them for their part?


You excused them for being blissfully retarded (as opposed to corrupt) because all they desperately wanted was to pass the CRA and help poor minorities (with or without jobs) get ARM liar loans. This isn't helping your argument that the Democrats are absent of any blame in our financial mess iota.

Because at this point, you're being just as big a dipshit as the regular partisan right-wingers. In fact, for your inability to read, I'd even throw the name Cummins out there to describe this sort of willful ignorance.


Go figure....someone has clearly ripped your panties. I'm sure seeing a lot of slandering, but very little substantiation for your outright rediculous belief system and pandering.

While I wouldn't say that you've been nailed for your bullshit.......I would say that this idiocy has you helplessly and forcibly pinned against a very blinded ideological wall.

My advice is to take two of these and call me in the morning:




I've got no love for congress.


Good....then I might have to retract my previous statements and there may still be hope for this conversation after all.

My explanation of the deregulation occurring in the late 90s is spot-on, the driving force behind it and the final outcome and compromise which enabled it are plain to see.

You chose to interpret all of this as some sort of unwritten 'excuse', and for that, I'd have to say you're incorrect to put it kindly.


It's probably just as spot on to say that the Democrats were equally eager to further fuck up our financial system, via CRA, and that everything else clearly didn't matter to them (well, except cashing lobbyist checks that clearly bought their votes).
Post edited by Mockery at 6/29/2011 4:25:55 AM
Originally posted by: the wierdo
Let me tell you a story. There used to be an over-leveraged hedge fund called Long-Term Capital Management. It was run by legitimately brilliant people, Nobel-prize-winners who changed the financial world by applying, among other things, Brownian motion to the options market. They borrowed too much money in their hedge fund, however.

Though overleveraged, their investments were close-to-perfect. But an East Asian currency crisis caused a short-term liquidity problem. Some investors, seeing their weakness, bet against them, exacerbating the desperate cash shortage. The massively leveraged hedge fund imploded.

Then, in an odd turn, all the evil Wall-Street bankers got together and organized a bailout. Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, J.P Morgan -- everyone associated in even the most remote way with this financial crisis through their money in the pot and saved LTCM.

Do you think those bankers were altruistic? Do you think they were bought by lobbyist contributions? They are as selfish as we know them to be. And they threw company money towards saving a single hedge fund. The collapse of every major bank on Wall Street, the financial nerve center of America and the world, makes that old impending hedge-fund collapse look like a low-stakes poker game in Bumblefuck nowhere.

The fact is that they're structured and leveraged in such a way that their failure really would cause a global financial depression. They're happy to remain that way, since it ensures future bailouts. This is not Fight Club. You don't get to watch the bad guys burn without taking yourself down with them.

By the way, I don't mean just Glass-Steagall. That's more a symbol for every meaningful regulation that was left out of the financial reform bill. Bailing them out was necessary, which is why it's such a joke that we stalled on actually regulating them, until the necessary corrupt senators had cobbled together enough power to kill anything more than slightly bothersome to the banks.


Almost missed this.......I'd argue this is a spot on assessment of the current state of our economic system today

You just described exactly what Brooksley Born predicted would happen way back in 1998. Every time this machine gets another infusion of money the ponzi gets even bigger, they leverage even harder, speculate faster, and the borrowing on margin gets even more absurdly ridiculous in magnitude.

We didn't stop a market collapse as much as we subsidized and patched an artificial financial market bubble that has sadly propelled America for the last three decades.

That's why I found this to be a damn fine documentary:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

I honestly beg every fucker in here to sit down and watch/listen to it when they have some free time.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/29/2011 4:44:23 AM
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Coba|t

If you'd have actually read my post, you'd have seen that I explained the quid-pro-quo in the post you quoted first. Lets not pretend you can't read, and acknowledge that this process of trying to 'nail' me for trying to hide something that I just plainly explained in the post you've quoted isn't a farce.


You didn't explain shit.......

You outright presumed that the Democrats passed a piece of terrible legislation, that I deductively proved they were cashing lobbyist checks for, because it had an entirely worthless CRA provision in it.
...
You can try to paint them as duped idealists who ignorantly fell for "good intentions" all you want.....but that still doesn't explain all the funding they have been taking on behalf of those investment banks they were helping to deregulate.

Meanwhile, back on page one, the very first post concerning this subject:
Originally posted by: Coba|t
... repeatedly being defeated by congress under Clinton until 1999 when a compromise was reached concerning community reinvestment, intense lobbying by banks, and the same sustained push by Republicans to finally get the measures passed by a veto-proof majority.

And my second post on the subject
Originally posted by: Coba|t
This was repeatedly defeated when brought to a vote. It wasn't until a compromise was achieved which included certain concessions like CRA and overwhelming bipartisan lobbying by the banking industry...

Why should I bother to read your posts if you're not going to read mine before you respond on a given subject?

So, in anticipation that you're going to quit being an ignorant idiot - your apologies are accepted this time.

Post edited by Coba|t at 6/29/2011 10:06:53 AM
Originally posted by: Mockery
There is a reason that Clinton reapointed Greenspan, the quintessential king of deregulation......
OMFG... Mockery and friends, you have to read this theory. i dont think i have posted it yet but its well worth the reading:

Road to Roota

The following Road to Roota Letter was written in January 2007 and lays the foundation for understanding the Gold Manipulation Conspiracy. The events that have transpired in the global economy and the "credit crisis" have all confirmed the original thesis of this document...that there is a group of people that were secretly rigging the gold markets for decades. This process was taken over by the Banking Cabal but now the original system riggers are dedicated to destroying the banking cabal, destroying the fiat monetary system and installing the old US Constitutional Gold Standard.

What follows will shatter your understanding of how the world works!


Greenspan is a Libertarian and i dont think ive meet one libertarian that even remotely likes Banksters.