5's

Hey,

I don't know how to make a poll on this forum, but with all the arguments and what nots on et-center.com, I was just curious as to if people are interested in 5v5 or not.

What would you guys like to play, 5v5 or 6v6? I like both, but I am just curious as to what others like.

Warp09

6s. Less chances of me benching \o/

5v5

6s

5s was proposed by the European leagues as it will allow them to negotiate with LANs better for more tournaments. TWL doesn't really negotiate with LANs, so that argument, already specious at best, falls apart, in addition to the fact it was very unpopular there.

Switching to 5s means more class restrictions, whether config enforced, or just out of necessity, and the game turns into more of a medic battle and pure SMG shot, in addition to throwing out 3 years of work spent refining the game for the new shiny thing of the week.
Post edited by sponge at 10/22/2006 12:55:12 PM

Originally posted by: sponge
5s was proposed by the European leagues as it will allow them to negotiate with LANs better for more tournaments. TWL doesn't really negotiate with LANs, so that argument, already specious at best, falls apart, in addition to the fact it was very unpopular there.

Switching to 5s means more class restrictions, whether config enforced, or just out of necessity, and the game turns into more of a medic battle and pure SMG shot, in addition to throwing out 3 years of work spent refining the game for the new shiny thing of the week.

So, what would you like, 5s or 6s? I just want to know what people want, I don't need an essay of why europeans switched to it :]

It should be rather obvious by my essay what I want. An opinion without a reason is worthless.

Well, you have a bunch of reasons why NOT to go to 5s, but one can only infer that you like both.

5s with nothing of the configs changed.

it would help with the ever-diminishing rosters as of late.
Post edited by r.sparks at 10/22/2006 4:36:55 PM

gendarme|TWL

6's we have enough active teams for it anyhow.

Originally posted by: r.sparks
5s with nothing of the configs changed.

it would help with the ever-diminishing rosters as of late.

agreed

The euros changed it to conform to LAN's. Why would we do it? To lessen the spam? There really isn't a spam problem. I just dont see a reason to switch to that, if there's no problem with 6's. Just my opinion.

I'm not asking if there are problems with it or not ,what would you like

Oh well, I can just infer what ElSexy wants, 7s!!

Well we played 5's some during the few weeks before qcon. I honestly enjoy 6vs6 more, it seems to me that 6v6 requires more coordination (could be the fact that you have one more guy 'to coordinate'.) I think sometimes people don't realize that this is ET (or you could say "Wolfenstein") not Quake... and again, that is just my opinion

And with my other post, I just didn't see a reason why we'd think of switching to 5's, if there is nothing from 6' that would cause us to switch from it (if that decision is to ever be 'confronted').

Unless there's something about it that I don't know about (if it's more fun/balanced/etc.) Which from my personal experience, it hasn't been more, in those aspects, than 6vs6. I could say that it is more 'shooting'-oriented. But again, this is Wolfenstein(ET), not Quake .

So basically, I'm more for 6vs6 than 5vs5. Just because it is what I like more (coordination/etc.)
Post edited by ElSexysWorkingAccount at 10/23/2006 4:46:10 AM

6v6

Not everything what the euro's do in competition are good things(like prone delay). Stop imitating the choices they make over there.

I like spam and think its one of the things that makes this game interesting. 3 v 3 felt like smg battlez and medwork only. I feel like 5s is getting too close to that. I don't feel like there is a problem with 6s

Originally posted by: Nexu
6v6

Not everything what the euro's do in competition are good things(like prone delay). Stop imitating the choices they make over there.

gotta respect your opinion for sure on euro comp, but i do enjoy 5's. I like how you really have to be tighter as a team. It does put more emphasis on medwork. Ive always thought of the 6th as kind of an extra of sorts. "another med/fops/eng/heavy". Whats wrong with having an emphasis on smg efficiancy?

Because the game becomes boring, and already there IS an emphasis on SMGs in this game, which isn't that tough to shoot.

Originally posted by: Shafty

Originally posted by: Nexu
6v6

Not everything what the euro's do in competition are good things(like prone delay). Stop imitating the choices they make over there.

gotta respect your opinion for sure on euro comp, but i do enjoy 5's. I like how you really have to be tighter as a team. It does put more emphasis on medwork. Ive always thought of the 6th as kind of an extra of sorts. "another med/fops/eng/heavy". Whats wrong with having an emphasis on smg efficiancy?

I enjoy everything from 4v4 to 10v10 ..
My point being is: if 5v5 was really a better choice than 6v6. Why hasn't anyone suggested it in the 3+ years of ET competition in TWL? Of all the times someone could have suggested to implement this for TWL. No one did _until_ the Euro competition started doing this.
So obviously i come to the conclusion and the though in my mind that the whole 5v5 idea was to copy Euro competition and not 100% just to make the league more competitive.

If i look at TWL with some teams with huge rosters where half doesnt always have time to play matches or scrims. I dont think 5v5 will help alot in making the competition more competitive. My prediction is that by making the teams smaller (6 to 5) in general the roster sizes wont become smaller because of it; It will only put more people on the bench in beta teams or teams that doesn't play 'serious' for the title.
The only teams that are probably affected are the ones that scrims 'seriously' many nights a week and has a chance in winning the playoff.

5s has been talked about in NA even before europe decided to go 5v5.

The hope of anyone wanting 5v5 is that it will be easier to coordinate attacks While it may be worth a try, I'm not sold to the idea of 5v5 > 6v6.

I think that currently, some of the more defensive maps would improve with 5v5 play but not those which are already offensive in nature - those maps MIGHT get boring.
Post edited by .Forsythe at 10/25/2006 1:26:03 PM

Well I'll be the only one that likes 8v8 then.

6's

Originally posted by: Warp09
Hey,

I don't know how to make a poll on this forum, but with all the arguments and what nots on et-center.com, I was just curious as to if people are interested in 5v5 or not.

What would you guys like to play, 5v5 or 6v6? I like both, but I am just curious as to what others like.

Warp09

rtcw went through the 5 vs 5 debate prior to its degrading into what it is now.

So......

welcome to gaming noobs. ET will evolve to 5 vs 5. then other stuff.

And when you finally have 4 players left, Blazen will finally get the recognition he's been seeking all these years.

I actually made the same prediction a very long time ago on et center. use the search feature noobs.

but I eagerly await another TWL forum suspension tampon fest for pointing out the obvious that the twl admins have a zero clue on.

When I go to bed at night, I pray Zed got the shot. I think his wood is mistaken for maple. If it drips, it ain't always syrup.

anyway....lol

It only seems NA is trying to imitate Euro.

As sponge pointed out in a post over at et-center. "if you want something changing, do something yourself and see how it goes, like i did with the USA vs CAN match"...or something along the lines of that.

Maybe its been in the minds of some NA players before euro swapped... maybe not, but euro took the steps to prove that it could work and to show how it changed the game and I guess people liked it. Euro changed to try and gain more LAN's...but who said that that is the reason the NA players want to change to 5v5....they might just like the 5v5 gameplay better then 6v6.

Oh btw warp

5's

New Jersey against all, ftw.

good post.

Originally posted by: ZedsDead

Originally posted by: |Ev1L|

Originally posted by: Warp09
Hey,

I don't know how to make a poll on this forum, but with all the arguments and what nots on et-center.com, I was just curious as to if people are interested in 5v5 or not.

What would you guys like to play, 5v5 or 6v6? I like both, but I am just curious as to what others like.

Warp09

rtcw went through the 5 vs 5 debate prior to its degrading into what it is now.

So......

welcome to gaming noobs. ET will evolve to 5 vs 5. then other stuff.

And when you finally have 4 players left, Blazen will finally get the recognition he's been seeking all these years.

I actually made the same prediction a very long time ago on et center. use the search feature noobs.

but I eagerly await another TWL forum suspension tampon fest for pointing out the obvious that the twl admins have a zero clue on.

When I go to bed at night, I pray Zed got the shot. I think his wood is mistaken for maple. If it drips, it ain't always syrup.

anyway....lol

When we have online gamings Nostradamus around to make such predictions, why bother Evil.
I mean come on… is there anyone more willing to accept a pat on the back for prophesizing what surely , no one else would have even considered , a topic to be brought up at some point in a games existence ? Bravo for you, somewhere there is a cookie here with your name on it.

Evil, I shudder to think that you’re going to bed thinking of my wood and its consistency….I foresee a Massengill Douche in your future. That and maybe some therapy.


Warp 09… our forums don’t have the capability of putting up meaningless, arbitrary polls such as the ones over at et-center. If you have a subject for discussion, feel free to post them. Back your topic up with some reasoning that’s semi coherent and the Admins will take into account the discussion.As you can see we will even humor Evil with a reply from time to time . Don’t post looking for peoples opinions and then attack them for posting a counterpoint that you don’t necessarily subscribe too.
The topic of team sizes has come up often. Its usually one that stirs a great deal of passion amongst the players. From experience, the 6v6 format seems to work the best across both the ET and rtcw formats. RtCW considered it, it never worked out. It was fine as a semi serious ladder. But never as a league.
I see virus is considering it in STA. I applaud him for trying to put something different out there for you guys and gals to play. The reality of things is that people “really” don’t want diversity; my personal feeling is things won’t be much different then what TWL does. That isn’t necessarily a good thing.

I did something good to get an admin like you to post in my topic, from all of the other 100's out there :]

Nah, Zeds despite rarely being seen is the backbone of TWL-ET, among many other games. But we like to think ET is extra special.

I don't like 5s because, as sponge and many others said, it removes the ability to crossfire an entire maps (some maps at least). 6s is fine tbh.

5v5 is a solution looking for a problem to fix. Leave it to the ET community to figure out how to cram a square box into a circle hole.

I got 6...you should get 6 too

I think with current spam nerfs that 7's would be pretty cool actually

I say leave it 6v6 but remove the mortar. MORTAR NEEDS TO GO!

`prophet
Retired ET Admin
10-30-2006 03:37 PM / profile
I say leave it 6v6 but remove the mortar. MORTAR NEEDS TO GO!


says the unfaithful mortaring machine leave it at 6s, how long does NA comp et have left? another 2-3 seasons? just compare the amount euro to NA players, 6on6.et - 800... etscrim - 100.. and that's just the players, who knows how long admins will stick around with players acting like they do.. then again, maybe we'll see some fresh new twl admins.. Ifreborn|TWL anybody? i think not

marius|twl

tbh.

Originally posted by: sponge
Because the game becomes boring, and already there IS an emphasis on SMGs in this game, which isn't that tough to shoot.

look whos talking you maybe able to press the triger spong but your aim is a story for another thread.

I think you just got burnt

Originally posted by: [RC]IfReborn

Originally posted by: sponge
Because the game becomes boring, and already there IS an emphasis on SMGs in this game, which isn't that tough to shoot.

look whos talking you maybe able to press the triger spong but your aim is a story for another thread.

I think you just got burnt

+1 Ifreborn

id admin, but i dont have the time

edit: and nobody knows who i am
Post edited by the penguin at 10/31/2006 5:46:58 PM

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