Borgs are easy to kill if you know how to kill them. Most people don't so they decide to complain about it because they dont want to look for alternative ways of killing it. Try a Emp then rail or if you cant aim rocket.
yea it can be done.
my only complaint is that it's way easier to be decent with a borg than it is to be decent with something like a lance. there's a lot of mediocore borg players that can tear shit up just because they're in borg and they have a little skill. now, of course, there are some people that are truly badasses in borg, and i'm not talking about those people. it's just that someone that's just mediocore probably won't be able to do something like lance a borg to death, but they'll be able to rape with a heavy decently.
does that make sense? i'm tired.
If your defense knows what there doing. Heavys = dead. Simple as that. Since heavys are known to take out defense and to kill stuff and hopefully not be killed. They sould be even more powerful. These n00bs on the pubs complain because they suck and feed the heavys there repair kits and beacons. Another reason why we sould have more map packs on servers (map pack = n00b filter). And when there engineer they dont know how to set defense. But in a match its totaly different. The heavys will get owned any way you look at it. I play base a hella lot more than ren, just because they have map packs and play X maps. And they have people who know WTF there doing. Id like everyone that reads this to try base++. You will expierience invos w/ beacons next to them, people who orgainze attacks on the flag, people who can duel you to hell, and heavys who are the best you can ever find. Thats why people play base++ because they people are more skilled in pubs and they have like a pickup every night. Its fun as hell. I think ren sould do that. But I think I talk way to much and Im way off subject so im just gonna walk away now and go to a happy place before Pimp runs to california and SLs me in the back.
its gonna be a while before the "quality" of the ren players is higher because most people dont understand the amount of teamwork that is required then the skill of the players. p9 for example, they have to cheat *sigh* just to keep up speed with the other players but they are organized which makes them the #1 team...well future #2 team. A new ren player comes into a server and watches a n00b do something and go now thats how you play this game. So then they do it. Like when they cap chances are most people unless they have a TWL clan tag on will not pass you the flag if they have 1/4 life left and 3 chasers on them. Which I dont entirly mind cuz then I can go for a 1337 ma grab, which if you havent seen yet I have a demo of one They go for those 50 points which in my point of view are completly pointless which is gernerally why I am always on the bottom on the scorring list. I think I was actually kicked out of a server before cuz my score was so slow Post edited by Zooy at 6/3/2002 3:17:14 PM
SF, Zooy..I realize I should probably be sucking up , but I'm going to have to disagree a bit...
Having played b++ quite a bit before turning my attention back to ninja and ren..I can say with 100% confidence that the Renegades pubs will never be like base++ pubs...where everyone is playing CTF. There are just too many distractions in a fully packed mod like Ren. Is this a bad thing? Not necessarily. Want a good game of CTF? Hop onto a base++ pub...want a good game of mindless fun, or to hone your own skills by trying to both clear the flag and cap on your own..hop on to a ren pub.
I think the main difference in the two is that in b++ you ALWAYS have to be playing a serious game of CTF (not that I don't like that, competitive play is definitely my preference). If you're messing around in a b++ server..you'll probably be kicked. Further more, (not intended as a flame) top b++ ladder teams tend to get big heads..VERY big heads. If someone is not playing up to par with them..they'll resort to kicking. I remember Littlewang from rapture being extremely kick happy..if someone didn't call the flag (which I admit, it sucksin b++ when they don't), he'd kick them. I remember one game he must have kicked 6 people within a couple minute span for not calling the flag.
The differences lead me to two points...
1. Zooy, the idea behind ren is different from b++. Most b++ players are very serious, and thus the community of serious players fills up pubs. In Ren however..filtering n00bs should most definitely NOT be the intent, because the amount of very serious players just doesn't compare, and would not be able to fill up a pub.
2. SF, sure, any half-witted defense will take down a heavy in no time..but that's how the mod is designed. How boring would matches be if the borg was powerful enough to actually hold down enemy gens in a match? First team to rape the gens wins...that's what pubs are for . Further, see the above point, pubs are not taken seriously in Ren..thus the chances of finding that half-witted defense are far less. And even further, comparing the mortar to the SL is pointless..because as was mentioned above, you can't rape a base and ruin a pub for half the players with a shocklance, yet you can with a mortar. They're completely different weapons with completely different purposes..it's like comparing a sniper rifle to a nuke...