No Class

Many of you in the MOH community have met me and my clan FH - We believe in Honor, Class, Dignity, and Respect.

We never dispute matches and no one has disputed us despite the fact that we are in the top 10 on all our ladders...

I dont swear at people, call them cheaters, and make scenes - I have seen many players do that and just chalked it up to immaturity etc - but what I have seen today takes the cake....

I read that the MOHAA ladder is closing - well its TWL's ladder and they can do what they want - I came here because I had been told that it was a class act and the admins were all professional. Obviously that is not the case.

I am at a loss for words at how TWL could have allowed itself to sink to this level.... but needless to say - after seeing what is below - I am totally disgusted and embarrassed for a League that I used to respect...

Vlasic
Ooops Manager said:

"This post is utterly offensive. Your MoH volunteers literally spend HOURS A NIGHT sifting through BULLSHIT and WHINING and countless cheating accusations and you have the fucking gall to call them LAZY?

DO YOU EVEN HAVE THE FIRST FUCKING CLUE WHAT THEIR JOB INVOLVES??? AND THEY DO IT FOR FREE!!!

You make me fucking sick. Get the hell off my forum and off our ladders you ungreatful piece of shit."

"I don't give a shit if YOU leave. YOU. If you can't be constructive, get the hell out."

"Why not? We get insulted daily by people whing about this and bitching about that.

Why should we support a community that does little more than point fingers and try to get an easy win?"

"I believe he said "got" correct?

So that means either the mail server went limp, or you're a lieing sack of crap.

Guess which one I believe?

Might want to check yer sendmail server maybe?"

"the other admins in here said you're annoying them and they want to ban you, ironically enough.

You may want to stop now. I'm only continuing because you are. I know you have more to offer than this. Please don't prove me wrong."

Disgusting..... nuff said...


PS - 1 last thing...

I would really like to see some of the following numbers on MOH in TWL:

Total matches played =
Total disputes filed =
Disputes from same clan =
Total clans that have diputes on record =

Seems to me like the squeaky wheels have caused 100's of legitimate players to lose their ladder...


Post edited by Obersoldat at 2/2/2003 9:51:51 AM


"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

Originally posted by: Obersoldat



I dont swear at people,

Umm you have short memory but mine is pretty good .
YOu swear at people and you have a great lack of respect sometime and you did it with me . (in this forum)
Post edited by Matrf2 at 2/1/2003 7:23:47 PM

egh.. looks like someone's posting for a proof read. better bust out my magic red marker!

Originally posted by: super

egh.. looks like someone's posting for a proof read. better bust out my magic red marker!

Its maybe my limited english knowledge , but its always hard to understand what you saying super ... almost like the joly....

Originally posted by: Obersoldat
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I read that the MOHAA ladder is closing - well its TWL's ladder and they can do what they want - I came here because I had been told that it was a class act and the admins were all professional. Obviously that is not the case.

I am at a loss for words at how TWL could have allowed itself to sink to this level.... but needless to say - after seeing what is below - I am totally disgusted and embarrassed for a League that I used to respect...
...

Disgusting..... nuff said...

Missing from your list is my Favorite:

Vlasic
Ooops Manager said:
The CS ladders don't have 1/10th the false accusations and grief you clowns give us.

Does that put the problem here in perspective yet?

What's sad is that despite this obvious contept for MOH:AA and its players, teams are tripping over themselves to be in the new TWL league.

Originally posted by: Obersoldat
PS - 1 last thing...

I would really like to see some of the following numbers on MOH in TWL:

Total matches played =
Total disputes filed =
Disputes from same clan =
Total clans that have diputes on record =

Seems to me like the squeaky wheels have caused 100's of legitimate players to lose their ladder...

Agreed as I posted in another thread I proposed a long time ago that TWL add a dispute manager so that teams could see other teams disputes. Right now there is no accountability either for admins or teams.

[TRK]PredatorBako
Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive.
http://www.teamtrk.us

I can understand why TWL is closing up MOH shop.

The cheats and the accusations have turned this game (and most of its ladders) to shit. MAtches arn't even fun anymore because people scream "cheater" at every little thing that seems "abnormal."

The admins got tired of hearing all the bitching...simple as that...

That email is coming from one pissed off admin (obviously), but it is no surprise. These people volunteer their time, so anyone who calls them "lazy" or any other demeaning term should remove their foot from their ass and open their eyes...

These people ARE human, remember....

Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

Just my opinion, I could be wrong....

What people dont relize..is yeah they have there cheaters out there..but not everyone cheat's...This is a ARCADE Game...Same map's,Same Spot's,Over and Over ad Over again..all day long..and yet people trip when someone is camping at the corner on a 1 way exit,or entrance,..People ruined this game by there stupidity of Acusation's<-- not directed too anyone but the Acuser's that can't Handle a Straight and Honest Lost,and Wanna Dispute EVERY time..ruin a Good clan's Rep,Beause they have a player that know's this game from he back of his hand.or a Team with Great Teamwork and TS,Or RW usage....i truly and hnestly Love The Game Mohaa...Dispite the Cheater's n hacker's...but having a "Clan Ladder" go Down Because of it..is truly sad...

I Love You TWL,please stay up?=(



Who want's to Die?
Post edited by Gumb|Y| at 2/2/2003 7:40:53 AM



Who want's to Die?

LoL Gumby how can anyone take your speach seriously with that sig :P J/k good points in all and im not gona repeat what everone else has said.

We love you TWL. Stay up??

More nastiness...

TotalCarnage
Senior Ops Staff

Anyone ending up in a 0-0 tie should just quit the ladder and save us all the headache of having to read stupid ass threads like this.

And they say the community has problems - We have one admin with terets syndrome that doesnt even work MOH - but of course is an expert on the history of everything in the MoH league as well as how to hack every anticheat out there.

And now TC with some more constructive criticism for someone who dared ask a question...

sad and sadder....

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

Polaris said:

We proved - by far - to be the most accessible and approachable staff. ... The senior administration staff has always positioned themselves in the best interest of their gaming communities and remains to this day, deeply entrenched in the community.

Hrmmmmm.....

I know I have never seen admins slam on people with that little respect on any ladder anywhere... and I'm pretty old...

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

Originally posted by: Obersoldat

More nastiness...

TotalCarnage
Senior Ops Staff

Anyone ending up in a 0-0 tie should just quit the ladder and save us all the headache of having to read stupid ass threads like this.

And they say the community has problems - We have one admin with terets syndrome that doesnt even work MOH - but of course is an expert on the history of everything in the MoH league as well as how to hack every anticheat out there.

And now TC with some more constructive criticism for someone who dared ask a question...

sad and sadder....

I'm assuming the first part is refering to Vlasic. First off, its not his job to 'work the ladder'. Does it mean he's not involved-no. You have no clue what goes on behind the scenes.

Originally posted by: T|w|F -Pedhead

I can understand why TWL is closing up MOH shop.

The cheats and the accusations have turned this game (and most of its ladders) to shit. MAtches arn't even fun anymore because people scream "cheater" at every little thing that seems "abnormal."

The admins got tired of hearing all the bitching...simple as that...

That email is coming from one pissed off admin (obviously), but it is no surprise. These people volunteer their time, so anyone who calls them "lazy" or any other demeaning term should remove their foot from their ass and open their eyes...

These people ARE human, remember....

Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

Just my opinion, I could be wrong....

That's about the most on target post I've seen.

Obersoldat- What? Do you think the admins are making all this up? Looks at these forums!! Every third or fourth thread is someone complaining, whining or accussing someone of cheating. Leave your little piece of hell on earth here and take a look at the forums of some of the other ladders. You don't see this shit going on there.

The admins here have gone well out of their way to try and make this work. To the point of starting a whole new section of staff to observe matches, and still people want to bitch.

And then you fault them for losing their temper? I'm surprised they have manged to keep their cool as long as they have. I could understand your points if we were paid, but we aren't. We volunteer to do this.

You folks aren't on the receiving end of all the crap, so you have no idea what it is like. I run one of the largest ladders and don't have half the crap that goes on here. And, yes, we have cheats. Plenty of them. They don't point fingers every time someone has a good game. They don't accuse others of cheating every time they have a bad night.

You want to save this? Then act like it. Don't get 'holyier than thou' attitudes. Don't bitch unless you have a constructive idea for a solution. Quit flaming every damn suggestion, discuss it rationally.If you work together instead of against each other, you may just be able save this mess.

And above all else, QUIT PUBLICLY ACCUSSING PEOPLE OF CHEATING

psicotic1
Teamwarfare Senior Operations Staff

The problem is, that no matter how many times people are warned about whining and making accusations in public, THEY STILL DO IT. These are just some of the people that are ruining the ladder. Don't bash other teams and the admins every chance you get. If you have a problem, take it up with the people you have the problem with and leave it away from the public eye- Don't got a problem? GOOD!

You are right - I don't see this on other forums...

Because they dont allow it...

We are in OGL MOHI and other competitions not just this "piece of hell on earth" as you so eloquently put it.

"Obersoldat- What? Do you think the admins are making all this up? Looks at these forums!! Every third or fourth thread is someone complaining, whining or accussing someone of cheating. Leave your little piece of hell on earth here and take a look at the forums of some of the other ladders. You don't see this shit going on there."

They are your forums and you are complaining like you have no control....

I am not the one resorting to foul language and letting the people who irritate me ruin the ladder.

Its this simple - you made a rule about no cheating accusations being posted in forums. Then enforce it... If someone accuses someone - boot them off the forum and ladder... If its a smurf name - delete it and the post...

You folks aren't on the receiving end of all the crap, so you have no idea what it is like.

I head a clan and we play on several ladders with matches daily - I hear it all the time in every game. How do you think it makes clans feel who have played these ladders since the begining and never disputed anyhting or been accused of anything to get slammed on by both the admins and the cheaters and hackers...

You want to save this? Then act like it. Don't get 'holyier than thou' attitudes. Don't bitch unless you have a constructive idea for a solution. Quit flaming every damn suggestion, discuss it rationally.If you work together instead of against each other, you may just be able save this mess

The reason I started this post is to bring it back to reality - the people I quoted above are flaming - not I.

I do have a constructive idea for a solution - take control of your own ladder. If someone is falsely accusing - then remove them - if they file frivilous disputes - remove them. If they get caught cheating - remove them. If an admin rules in a dispute - then its over - if someone takes it to the forums - remove them. If the admins decide on an anti cheat measure like screenies (mohoil) or pandora etc - enforce it.

The point is - rather than removing the people who are ruining the ladders for both the legitimate competitiors and admins. TWL is just shutting the whole thing down - that just means that the losers won.

And, yes, we have cheats. Plenty of them. They don't point fingers every time someone has a good game. They don't accuse others of cheating every time they have a bad night.

I agree with you completely on that point - EVERY COMPUTER GAME has or can have cheats - its the nature of the beast. So to abandon MOH based on lack of support or of cheats out there is a lame excuse. Every game has cheats - its how you handle it that counts - and obviously the MOH ladder is having problems.

And I don't see how any of the quotes from my 1st post are the least bit constructive. Many are willing to be admins in this league and I will count myself among them. The fact that you volunteer is great - I volunteer to run my clan... But it doesn't give me an excuse to treat my members like crap or insult them - When it starts to - then maybe its time to stop volunteering - because now you are part of the problem not solution...





"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

Ober, I can understand you. However, going for the admins is not right. Over 95% of the time they are great people, looking out for the community and the people in it. There are times that they overreact - why? Because of what they deal with EVERY day. They get tossed around and slammed with problems left and right, and do it all for good. Once in a while they will be outraged and express it just like man others, but it isn't right to use that against them. TWL is a great community, with a great staff. End of story.
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Obersoldat, how long do you think the admins should have to baby sit whinny bitches like you? These guys gave this ladder for free and all they hear is whining and complaining. When you show NO APPRECIATION for what someone is giving you, why should they continue to give it to you? You sound like a third world country: " I hate the US, I hate the US... wait!!! Where you going with all that aid money?????"

Don't blame the admins for this community’s implosion, blame the community.

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The heart of Zen is not a mechanical pump. It is a roaring lion, and it is radiant.

No, we do not see what is going on behind closed doors. However, nerely every time I have sent an e-mail to an admin asking them to observe a match, or even to the new observers corps nothing has been done. Rather than pointing the finger at the community "rioting in the streets", maybe you should take a look at the way your regime is represented and run.

Now I don't believe in taking match issues to the forums, and imo the people who do are wrong. However, maybe the people are doing it because of the apparent lack to response from the admins.

We as a clan have been appreciative of all ladders and all admins. I am sorry that we have not posted more "Thanks admins" threads or sent love notes or chocolates or flowers.

I do agree however that Vlasics comments are way out of line, even borderline abusive. As a result, I am now forced to consider removing our clan from all TWL ladders. Just as we will not tolerate abusive behavior from our members (and we have had a few get reprimanded for their conduct) why should we accept it from the ladders and leagues we choose to participate in.

When we received absolutely no support from the admins on another ladder to enforce their own rules I begged our clan to step down from that ladder. They decided to stay. Now I am forced to ask them again, "Is TWL worth it?"

I ask you, is TWL worth it?

One last thing and I will step out of the pulpit, there was a great line in the movie "The Patriot" that I think all the TWL staff should consider, especially Vlasic. This is a statement that the members of >F|H< are probably tired of me saying, but I believe that it helps keep them in-line with our core values. In the movie, Gen. Cornwalis said to his subordinate, "The manner in which you serve me reflects on me." I think it is plain to see how such abusive comments reflect on TWL. And what is worse, imo is psicotic1 supporting him in his statements.
Post edited by Blasney at 2/2/2003 12:08:44 PM

I am not blaming the admins for ruining the community - re read the posts.

They are complaining about the flaming - and flame themsleves - that is not constructive - admins should set the example - that is what this post is about.

I also don't like to see people who have nothing constructive to say ruin a competitive and until now fun ladder instead of being removed themsleves

Nor am I whining whatsoever - I am offering constructive ideas (without swearing zen...) on how to make it work.

I have NEVER filed a dispute

I have NEVER accused someone of cheating

I have NEVER had a dispute filed against our clan...

Zen your post contains absoletly nothing construcive or of value - its just rude....

I am a 31 year old veteran of the Somalia and Yougoslavia operations and a patriot above all else.

Your remarks are ignorant, insulting, and unwarranted.

However if you would like to discuss the extent of my loyalty to the country I risked my life for, served, and continue to serve faithly please email me and I will be more than happy to educate you outside this forum.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

TWL Admin I have the most respect for.
We left OGL becuase of there inability to get an dispute taken care of quickly. All dispute on TWL were looked into and a call was made, not that i agreed with them all but you made a call and HFE did not complain. well the one call when we did not get the e mail and lost a match.
Oh well its a game will live.

You all proved that their is no anti cheat that will work after are last match with auto screen shots in it and that was not good enough for anyone to believe that a team is not cheating.

So my point is why continue playing the game if you ask to use anti cheat programs and then still after want to talk crap.

TWL my hats off to you i know this is a tough choice hope something fixes the game so you can open it back up.

As for HFE there have been several team that have tried there best to make HFE and cheating 2 of the same. one person says it then another and then all jump onboard.
we have lost to several great team and that is just it they were better then us on that day.

GL all

Seems to me your post was nothing more than bitching at the admins. This community has been going downhill for quite some time now. It surprises me that the admin's haven't ever been rude before now. Most of what you quoted was a reply by an admin to some form of stupidity by the very same people who caused the demise.
I wasn't trying to be constructive. You trying to say your post is constructive? You call the admins disgusting because they reply in kind? Get off your high horse; these guys are just as human as you.
As far as your military service goes, save it son, I was in the Navy for 8 years. I've been to a lot more places than just the two you mentioned. What the hell does your loyalty to our country have to do with this ladder? I don't need an education from a condescending prick and I’m certainly not going to drag my military service into the conversation to try to drum up some sort of support for my opinion.
Try to keep in mind that you started the topic saying that the admins have no class and that their actions are disgusting. My post contains nothing of value? Show me something in your post that does. Seems to me that your remarks to the admins are insulting, ignorant, and unwarranted. You say you believe in respect? Then show the people that give their time for free the respect they deserve.

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The heart of Zen is not a mechanical pump. It is a roaring lion, and it is radiant.

To answer your question:

Many are willing to be admins in this league and I will count myself among them. The fact that you volunteer is great - I volunteer to run my clan... But it doesn't give me an excuse to treat my members like crap or insult them - When it starts to - then maybe its time to stop volunteering - because now you are part of the problem not solution...


I do have a constructive idea for a solution - take control of your own ladder. If someone is falsely accusing - then remove them - if they file frivilous disputes - remove them. If they get caught cheating - remove them. If an admin rules in a dispute - then its over - if someone takes it to the forums - remove them. If the admins decide on an anti cheat measure like screenies (mohoil) or pandora etc - enforce it.

Its this simple - you made a rule about no cheating accusations being posted in forums. Then enforce it... If someone accuses someone - boot them off the forum and ladder... If its a smurf name - delete it and the post...

The point is - rather than removing the people who are ruining the ladders for both the legitimate competitiors and admins. TWL is just shutting the whole thing down - that just means that the losers won....

How do you think it makes clans feel who have played these ladders since the begining and never disputed anyhting or been accused of anything to get slammed on by both the admins and the cheaters and hackers...

I would really like to see some of the following numbers on MOH in TWL:

Total matches played =
Total disputes filed =
Disputes from same clan =
Total clans that have diputes on record =

As for your further rude and insulting posts zen

You describe the title here perfectly .... No Class.







Post edited by Obersoldat at 2/2/2003 12:44:59 PM


"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

Typical, it's everyone else's fault but yours. Everyone else is rude and insulting except you. You quote people out of context and say they have no class and that their actions are disgusting. Then when the looking glass is aimed at you to show how your actions show no class, you ignore it and try to climb higher on your horse by finally posting something constructive on the thread. Too little too late.
You at least finally got something right...

But it doesn't give me an excuse to treat my members like crap or insult them - When it starts to - then maybe its time to stop volunteering - because now you are part of the problem not solution...

Hence, the closing of the ladder.


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The heart of Zen is not a mechanical pump. It is a roaring lion, and it is radiant.

Originally posted by: Obersoldat

More nastiness...

TotalCarnage
Senior Ops Staff

Anyone ending up in a 0-0 tie should just quit the ladder and save us all the headache of having to read stupid ass threads like this.

And they say the community has problems - We have one admin with terets syndrome that doesnt even work MOH - but of course is an expert on the history of everything in the MoH league as well as how to hack every anticheat out there.

And now TC with some more constructive criticism for someone who dared ask a question...

sad and sadder....

You know what Ober, here is the thing. You have a ladder where teams come to play. Obviously if they end up in a 0-0 they didn't do diddly squat. So why bother wasting my time, the admin's time or any teams who play on these ladders time? Point stated, do the math.


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|HiFi|TotalCarnage
TeamWarfare Senior Operations Staff

You guys (no offensive to anyone) are showing a prime example of why this ladder is being closed. Your flamming each other back and forth. Instead of flamming, why not point out the main reasons for the closing of this ladder.

1.) Flamming : This is uncalled for, and un-neccesary. It niether strengthens your position, or helps the subject at hand.
2.) Accusations : People who feel they have to post to the entire community they feel they have been cheated. You should have the respect to handle these matters behind closed doors. Wether you talk with the admins about these matters, or you go and talk to the clan you feel you were cheated by. Keep it from the community, you just make yourself look bad, wether your accusations were false or not.
3.) Rules : There not being enforced. I am not flamming the TWL admins, because i appreciate the time and effort you give to this ladder and community. But you have rules that you just do not enforce. You have the rule "People who publicly accuse others or clans of cheating will be banned". But i havent seen you once ban someone for this. Yet, you then go and say we are closing the ladder to do people constantly accusing other players/clans. Maybe enforcing the rules would help. (dont mean to sound like an ass, but i think i did)

If you want to get something constructive done here, start talking about how we can work together to stop these problems, rather then complaining and flamming everyone on how its there fault for something not being done.

It seems to me that the standards we expect from each other should also apply to the admins. They may be volunteering, but so are we. This being a hobby we share together does not excuse abusive behaviour. They should be held accountable for their actions. We aren't here to be insulted or harassed, neither are they. I think Ober's assessment of the situation is accurate. The TWL admin's intentions for this were good but they've simply allowed the abusive and accusatory members of the community take the ladder over.

It's kind of like spoiling a little kid. Keep warning them "don't do that" "stop that" without any real action, tempers get out of control and before you know it the parent is swearing and slapping the kid around. This ladder could have run without so much fuss. I don't the admins were lazy, just perhaps tried too hard to be nice guys.... but no one can take abuse like that for long, and no one should have to.

But don't turn on the players and treat them with abuse. MOH ladders can and ARE run succesfully still.

I understand how hard it is, it's the same with rcon on our server. I hate having to be a jerk and religiously stick to the rules, even over small things, but it keeps me from stress and worry and the server stays the way we like it.

I am quite disappointed, not just because of the abusive language and the dropping of the ladder, but because this WAS such a good ladder, and the admins clearly did put a great deal of effort into it. I will miss it, and it's unfortunate it couldn't have turned out different. I'm disappointed with many of the players here as well for their constant accusations and bickering, they too can be thanked for this.


>F|H< Jagged

lol...

I quoted every post including my 1st zen...

I made my post because things were going from bad to worse, the players here should have respect and class - if they don't they are banned or removed. What happens when admins begin being abusive as well? I made my post to show exactly how bad it looks to people who DONT flame and DONT dispute when the admins sink to the level of the troublemakers.

If you are glad the ladder is closing thats good. I differ in opinion and am working to fix the problems. If you don't want to be part of the fixing process and don't care at all about the ladder - why post here at all other than to start trouble?

There are 100's of posts here where people complain about how everything turns into a flame war. I posted very clearly that the reason that I was disgusted was:
"I read that the MOHAA ladder is closing - well its TWL's ladder and they can do what they want - I came here because I had been told that it was a class act and the admins were all professional."

You said yourself you didn't post here to be constructive. So stop being part of the problem and help with a solution. If you are glad the ladder is closing then why contribute except to cause trouble?

PS - TC - My point was that the thread was started to AVOID such an outcome (yes it has and could happen again)and you insult them - isn't that what everyone says is ruining the game?

The admins here did a fine job and Jagged is correct I think they were trying to be too nice with the rules - but the backlash of closing the ladder and admins flaming everyone in posts over the last few days is even worse...

The admins should be stopping the fights - not contributing ...

Clearly there is a middle ground here - MOH exists in many other forms and ladders successfully - why not here but for people who want to start trouble - just get rid of them..
Post edited by Obersoldat at 2/2/2003 1:41:47 PM


"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

see, by that post, you just added to the problem. Instead of responding, you could of just ignored the post and went on with the topic at hand, yet you insisted on flamming zen again.

Actually, that's not true. I earned a real reputation for being a forum Nazi. It got so bad that I'd get email every day from people complaining because of how many teams where banned from the forums. Ask around, it was done heavily. I still do it, I lock the theads, I ban the players they go create a new account and come right back. Same goes for any team that has ever been kicked off of this ladder.

Now, what I find most irconic is one comment that I make that is off base and now I'm the rudest person on the planet. I challenge anyone to look through this forum or any forum I monitor and tell me how often I use profanity at someone or resort to name calling or flaming. Its not my style.

Now with that said, given the current state of the community, when I see someone post something like we need a rule for a 0-0 tie you can most likely count on a response like that. I mean come on people. What did they do? Sit on their side of the map for 20 minutes and wait for the time to run down. No one killed a single person? I don't need a rule for that, its called you "aren't" playing, so get off the ladder.

I've always consider FH a class act. I've had my differences of opinion with Blasney but I have always respected his position. Ober, you are entitled to your opinion, what else can I say.
Post edited by TotalCarnage at 2/2/2003 1:40:43 PM



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|HiFi|TotalCarnage
TeamWarfare Senior Operations Staff

I'm not sure where you get this idea that Admins should be above feeling and irritation and losing their temper.

I hope you didn't expect perfect people around here.

Oh, and if by "flaming for a few days" you mean "lost their temper for a few hours" then you're 100% correct.

You are correct Kirby - Nuff said on that issue.

I will make it short and sweet:

I like the admins.

I hold Admins to a higher standard because they earned it.

The last few days have been ugly on all sides.

I think we can save the ladder by stricter enforcement and delation of accusers and false disputers.

My post was a reaction to a downward slide that I feel needs to stop.

I would be more than willing to assist in either administration or any other capacity if more help is needed.



"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

This may sound like a dumb idea, and it probably is..

Have each team agree to a "STFU Act". Something that says they agree NOT to post anything on the forum that is whining or accusations. If they don't agree, their not on the ladder, if they do agree and violate it, their gone.

*This is what happens when you have nothing else better to do*

I agree Frost - there should only be GG threads and League questions/answers threads. The rant boards are great for some fun before the match and that could really take pressure off the forums.

Make the forum so the public can't log in to post only view. Only clan members in the ladder and admins can post - that way flames accusations etc are easily traced and the rules enforced and the admins life is easier.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

At that, maybe have only the captains and founders of teams be able to post. This way, if a clan lets one person get out of control their gone, so they have to carefully control who they give power to..

Originally posted by: Obersoldat

You are correct Kirby - Nuff said on that issue.

I will make it short and sweet:

I like the admins.

I hold Admins to a higher standard because they earned it.

The last few days have been ugly on all sides.

I think we can save the ladder by stricter enforcement and delation of accusers and false disputers.

My post was a reaction to a downward slide that I feel needs to stop.

I would be more than willing to assist in either administration or any other capacity if more help is needed.

That's so much better than starting a thread just to insult the admins by saying they have no class. When you hit "Add Post" to start this thread, you broke all your own standards.

Originally posted by: Obersoldat

Many of you in the MOH community have met me and my clan FH - We believe in Honor, Class, Dignity, and Respect.

We never dispute matches and no one has disputed us despite the fact that we are in the top 10 on all our ladders...

I dont swear at people, call them cheaters, and make scenes - I have seen many players do that and just chalked it up to immaturity etc

Frost and Kirby are on the right track - any other constructive ideas out there?

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

HA! IO rocks! Excuse me

Originally posted by: Obersoldat

I agree Frost - there should only be GG threads and League questions/answers threads. The rant boards are great for some fun before the match and that could really take pressure off the forums.

Make the forum so the public can't log in to post only view. Only clan members in the ladder and admins can post - that way flames accusations etc are easily traced and the rules enforced and the admins life is easier.

This is an excellent idea, I was thinking the same thing. I know that the admins can track posts back to the ip and identify smurfs but imo smurfs are just there to cause trouble. Cracks me up when a player is having a conversation with himself via a smurf - I have seen it on this forum and all I can do is shake my head. There is NO reason to have a smurf name other than to say stuff that you don't want you or your team to be held accountable for.

As a side note I don't ever recall the MOH:AA admins ever saying anything offensive, demeaning or belittling on these forums. Perhaps thats why many of us were taken aback by the senior ops' comments. We were holding him to a higher standard due to the example set by the MOH:AA admins.

Believe I can only imagine how much crap our admins are put through and yet through it all they continue to do a great job. They have much more self control then I ever will - cause I would of went off on more than a few people in these forums. That is one of the many reasons I have much respect for our MOH:AA Admins

[TRK]PredatorBako
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Well, there's a sticky saying people that bring cheat accusations to the forum will now be banned with much prejudice and hatred.

So I hope that helps make the problem go away.

Originally posted by: Vlasic

Well, there's a sticky saying people that bring cheat accusations to the forum will now be banned with much prejudice and hatred.

So I hope that helps make the problem go away.

Thank you, it's certainly a good start...

[TRK]PredatorBako
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I agree Vlasic- it is a good start.

This is whats been a long time coming - cracking down on the witchhunt - theres no room for it.

Yes predator - there is no need to smurf these forums whatsoever - image what they would look like if everyone was held accountable for what they said immediately- ie: restricted logins

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

LOL, on a lighter note, how bout just closing the forum. That seems to be where the problems lie! Keep the ladder, get rid of the public interface.