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Let me give a little background here, just so maybe you all understand what a hassle this has been.

I have not considered doing a new LT mappack since the last one was released. It's a dying game, but at least I know some people are still enjoying it, so I've kept it alive, and made files available etc. I had actually started working on a version for T2, but then realized that Zodd and Zod were doing something similar, and out of respect, I didn't want to work against them, and i knew that they'd put out a better finished product than mine would be.

I've been holding out for T:V, and had actually mentioned to KP already about starting development during open beta, as I figured that it would come in handy to have is guidance as I did on the first LT.

So out of the blue comes Bunny, who had done a lot of work on this new pack. He and I spent a couple hours it seems both together and independantly checking these maps out. I was very happy with the work he had done, and since he had the respect to stick my name on there as being the person who conceptualized the "mod" in the first place, which meant a lot to me. Nothing like having a project that is dear to you and having people try to take that away from you.

Well apparently, from what I understand, he mentioned it to someone else that he was working on this project, and one of the people that he mentioned it to decided, "Hey, this guys making an LT map pack, so I'm going to try to beat him to the punch". We're talking about Killer2001 of course, who also put a decent amount of work into his pack. But the truth of the matter is, is I think it was underhanded to not only work on a pack knowing someone else had mentioned first that they were doing one, but to go ahead and release it, going as far as uploading it to the rdb, and getting his friends to choose to vote for his stuff without even playing Bunny's maps. I know this is the case, because I'm the only one hosting Bunny's, and I have logs for the server.

Bunny, on the otherhand, although apparently less well known due to his 2 year hiatus from the community, approached me very respectfully, and it was obvious I was dealing with an adult. I've seen harsh words come from Killer about Bunny's maps, yet not a bad word has been uttered by Bunny about Killer's dispite hard feelings on trying to squeeze him out of the picture and beat him to the punch with these maps.

So, all this considered, I've decided to release the pack that Bunny did in it's entirety. I think the maps are all done in a manner that everyone will be happy with, and he did them the way that I would have like to see it done, instead of arguing the fate of the project with me. Hell he did them much better than I did luckily, and fixed all my bugs.

There's little appreciation for something like this, and I know I can't please everyone here, but I think this will come damn close. As far as the second pack goes, you all can decide to do with it what you will. If you decide that you want to see some maps out of it instead of some of Bunny's, then so be it. But as far as I'm concerned, you can download the latest release of the New LT Mappack HERE . I know it may be a little slow on the DL for you, but as soon as Yogi pushes through the RDB submission, I'll change the link.

Thanks for taking the time to play and to help test this. Alot of you are the reason I still even care about this game, and take the time to do stuff like this.
What happened to the voting for which map you would like in the pack idea?

I was playing TesseractLT by Bunny and already noticed portable generators in the map. I think you shouldn't release the pack until you're 100% sure it's complete.

There's also no reason that it needs to be Client Side as it will work perfectly fine as Server Side.

I spent a lot of time with my pack, even to the extent of making every drop point on the terrain almost perfect so that you neither fall down or have your feet underneathe.

Zombee, I seriously suggest you go back to the voting for the best map idea as it will assure the best maps of both people. (Bunny and I)

I can help make Bunny's Server Side, and then package them all up in an Installation file, and ready to be released.

Thanks for reading.
Originally posted by: Zombee
and getting his friends to choose to vote for his stuff without even playing Bunny's maps. I know this is the case, because I'm the only one hosting Bunny's, and I have logs for the server.


You're wrong. I never forced anyone into voting for my maps. Hell, half the people that did vote for my maps don't even like me. (esp xeri0us) So I don't know where you go getting off on that.

Also, I don't recall ever saying anything harsh about Bunny's maps.

Please clear things up for me Zombee.
Let me give you guys an example of the bullshit I put up with here:

[18:06] i know you dont like me at all
[18:06] but it has nothing to do with us
[18:06] so ignore the hate for now
[18:06] Killers pack didnt get a fair chance
[18:07] you were to lazy to test them all so you just picked bunnies
[18:07] well thats all i have to say peace out faggot

Understand, that I'm fuckied no matter what. I went through the whole pack, on Bunny's as well as Killer's. Both did some nice work. I don't want you guys to get the idea that Killer's wasn't considered at all. I went through every map, and he did a great job on the majority of them. He's making fun of Bunny because he left a couple gens behind on Tes. Honestly, who cares? Only time you'll see them is in the editor. But I haven't found another flaw with Bunny's, and very few with Killer's.
My opinion on the matter is not going to change. I'm content with the choice I made here, and the lack of interest on the communities part was part of my frustration. I'm not getting paid for this. I'm not getting anything out of being recognized for this. I just love the game.
So I'll let you guys do what you want. I'd encourage you to all take a look at both sets of maps, because I know Killer's are still being hosted in a few servers, so give them a look.When some of you start showing some interest, maybe we'll do some substitutions.

That issue with the gens was fixed btw.
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Originally posted by: oochie
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Shut up faggot. Nobody was talking to you.
Originally posted by: oochie
wah my interweb pussy hurts


Please stfu, we are trying to resolve an issue here.
Originally posted by: oochie
wah my interweb pussy hurts

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Originally posted by: oochie
Originally posted by: oochie
wah my interweb pussy hurts

Aw look it's the troll that thinks he knows me.
how do i know you? some faggot that makes a couple of easy ass maps and thinks he's God ...DAMN CALL ME MISS CLEO
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Originally posted by: oochie
how do i know you? some faggot that makes a couple of easy ass maps and thinks he's God ...DAMN CALL ME MISS CLEO

Oh, I guess you're right then. And then again who are you? That's right... you're nobody.
how good are you? oh yah that's right map makers blow ass.
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Originally posted by: oochie
how good are you? oh yah that's right map makers blow ass.

That made a lot of sense. Come on back when you have something remotely intelligent to add.
who IS oochie? everytime he posts it's something retarded
Originally posted by: oochie
wah my interweb pussy hurts
oochie is no superb player so don't worry about what he has to say, he just tries to make up for his shortcomings by being an idiot.
Hmmm...I don't recall Solus being good either to comment about someone else. :o
Thanks zombee! Even though some ppl dont respect your work I am in debt to you because you are the one who has kept this game alive. If it wasnt for you it might be dead already but I'd like to thank you.


i know oochie... but i dont know anyone ur talking about or u zombee... unless ur the famed ex leader of the infamous cheating LT team anon
Originally posted by: -Axle-
Thanks zombee! Even though some ppl dont respect your work I am in debt to you because you are the one who has kept this game alive. If it wasnt for you it might be dead already but I'd like to thank you.


Thanks dude. it was great seeing you the other night on the server, btw.

And no I'm not the one from Anon.
I'de also like to chime in with Axle and say thank you for all your hard work and effort. Without the 5v5 ladder, T1 competition would most likely be dead. I was getting tired of those damn inv. stations anyway. Thanks, and keep up the good work!